Podcast Episode 50: Anita Moorjani – insidewink Classics!

Jean : We’re gonna….

Alison : What?? hahah  what?? You’re trying to sneak something in?

Jean : No. You are.

Alison : I definitely am. So, um, um, we’re going to look back and at some classic interviews we’ve had. And this week, Jean is going to pick her favorite. And then in a couple of weeks, I will pick my favorite and we’ll replay them.

Jean : Yeah. And then we thought that would kind of give you an idea of what what really sparked our interest. I mean, they all did. This was hard actually.

Alison : Yeah. Because we really we had a big fight about it. And no, we didn’t because we could have done anybody.

Jean : They were… I really loved all of our, our interviews.

Alison : Yeah. People have been so generous with their time and efforts and our listeners, you guys have been great. So, um, Who have you picked for your look  back?,

Jean : So I’m going to say,  Anita Moorjani and why I picked her was two reasons. I just remember when her first book came out, Dying to Be Me… That title, I just thought, wow, that is so true. How much we ..how how so much fear sometimes limits us from really living our true, authentic life. So that book came out. I was like, wow. Then her next book came out,.. Sensitive is the New Strong and I again, and I could totally relate to that. Wow. Um, you know, to look at, you know, my own sensitivity, someone else’s sensitivity as a superpower rather than a challenge. So, um. And I remember that when we got to interview her, Alison, it was right on the.. It was shortly after Alex made his transition, and, um, I was so like, wow, we’re talking to Anita Moorjani. And she could not have been more lovely.

Alison : She was so gracious,

Jean : So Gracious, such a such a beautiful woman. And her message remains consistent, which is, um, you are the light of God, and you are important and powerful and and you do not …please let go of any and all perfection and live your joy.

Alison : Oh, that is so. That is so true and moving. And you summed it up perfectly. So if you heard it before, um, we hope you can sit back, relax and listen to it again. Maybe you’ll get something else out of it. And here’s our take two on Anita Moorjani.

Alison : Hello.

Jean : Hi, Anita.

Anita: Hi. How are you both?

Alison : Great. How are you?

Anita: I’m great. Thank you so much.

Alison : For joining us.

Anita: You’re so welcome. Thank you for having me on.

Jean : This is such a highlight because I personally have been following you, Anita. I’m Jean Trebek, and this is Alison Martin.

Alison : I’m Alison.

Speaker2: Anita, I just love you. And I, uh, when your first book came out, Dying to Be Me, just the name of that title, I was like, oh my gosh… Um, I know I’m going to love this…you know, the universe gave it to me. And I also am a big fan of Wayne Dyer.

Anita: Gosh. Thank you. I mean, you’re so welcome. It’s a pleasure. Of course.

Alison : Your life experiences have been so amazing and have shed such light for you and for others. I was hoping that you could just give our listeners, um, an idea of how your own near-death experience, um, affected you. And also, uh, we’re very interested in understanding if you had any perceptions as to where you went.

Anita: Okay. Um, so those are great questions. So first of all, how did the near-death experience affect me? It changed the way that I view life. It changed everything. I realized after my near-death experience that everything that I had been, um, brought up to believe, like, basically what we call our dominant belief system, the dominant paradigm. I realized that it was all wrong. And I started to understand why people were struggling and why the world, why people in the world were as unhappy and struggling. And I realized that everything that we have been taught is the opposite of what life or what what we really should be taught. It’s the complete opposite. Um, for example, the most dramatic thing was that my health, that the cancer just disappeared. Yeah. Completely disappeared. And so the biggest understanding I had was around my physical body and health and wellness, and I realized that it was my consciousness, my spirit, my soul that determines the quality of my life. But the way that we are taught to live is we look at our physical bodies and we work from the physical on our bodies. And even when we look out at the physical world, we try to change the world from the physical. We go out and we use our effort and our energy and we change the world. But my near-death experience taught me that actually we are constantly creating the our our health and well-being from the inside out. And we’re also creating our physical experiences from where we are at inside, from where we’re at, and how we perceive and believe life and how, um, uh, and how much energy we have and how much awareness we have.

Anita: We’re constantly creating our external reality, dependent on what we’re feeling inside. It’s the complete Opposite and inside out of what we have been taught to believe. That’s the first thing I realized and I thought, wow, what this dominant paradigm, this the culture we can call it, the cultural field is so strong, it’s so strong that those of us who see through it and realize, oh my gosh, but I can create something different for me. Um, it’s very challenging from the perspective that that we are the ones who get labeled as being delusional or woo woo or crazy, but in actuality, when we look at it, we’re like, once you see it a certain way, you’re kind of like, no wonder all that stuff is happening. They’re creating it because of the way they’re viewing their world, because their energy is so depleted, because they’re so drained, because they’re so fearful and they’re buying into all the fear and everything. So of course, it’s Manifesting this way in the physical. So it’s it’s so it’s a very strange thing that happens that really affects you at your core when you have a near-death experience where you can’t go back to living the way you used to, but at the same time, you know that it’s going to be challenging because most people won’t see the world the way that you see the world. That’s that’s what I’ve been going through.

Alison : I know Jean has a bunch of questions, but that just ignited something in me. Um, um, and I know I want to hear where you went, but, um. What what what what you just said in a time of the pandemic, right? Is, um, so significant. So, um, do do you think that sometimes the appearance of an illness or a challenge, physical or mental, appears…. you’re saying that you that collectively, the world has perhaps created this pandemic on a much higher level, right? Like our sort of collective consciousness? And then do you do you think sometimes there is also the side of that that means  there is something that we have to go through. Do you do you understand my question?

Anita: I think so. So I think although there are certain things that we as individuals have to go through, I think there is a lot of free will that we have like a lot uh, and we come here with a certain intention, like we’ve kind of come here deciding that we want to be in we want to be born in this circumstance, with this family, with with these intentions. This is the intention we have. Our soul comes here with these intentions of fulfilling certain things. But when we come here, we may lose our way, and we have free will not to follow our intention and not to follow our passion. And sometimes what happens is that because we want to fit in and we’re afraid of disappointing people, we tend to lose ourselves and we tend to lose our way. Um, but what you’ve said also about creating like maybe this, I think you alluded that this pandemic maybe or generally it’s something that we have co-created. So here’s what I actually believe. I believe that the way that we were going before the pandemic even started, before anything… So, um, I’m not going to get into the politics of it at all. I don’t, you know, I’m not even, I know that people really did get sick. And I’m not saying it’s not serious. I don’t even want to go down there. But if you think about the world and our race, even before the pandemic, um, we were already, I would say, heading down a road of destruction. Um, think about all the biggest governments of the world, all the biggest nations of the world. All of them were spending most of their money, their time and their resources on killing each other. They were more interested in killing each other than they were in feeding each other.

Anita: I mean, think about it all. Our biggest political leaders were more interested in comparing the size of their nuclear weapons, for God’s sake. Um, you know, so we were already on a very destructive path. And when you think about Even where all our money goes, it goes into weapons, it goes into, um, it goes into military. And and even when it comes to health care, we don’t spend money on actually caring for health. The money goes into pharmaceuticals. And so it’s a very, very imbalanced world. I actually felt when Covid hit, it brought the world to its knees. It’s the one single thing that really made everybody stop. It was almost like it was a divine intervention. Because if you noticed at that time, um, suddenly nature thrived.

Alison : Yes.

Anita: You suddenly had birds singing and pollution was gone and butterflies came out and flowers were blooming. It was almost like the earth, mother earth and nature and source and God. It was almost like they were thanking us. It’s like, thank you. We can breathe now. Yeah. Um, so it was almost metaphoric where people were wearing masks and were saying, oh, I can’t breathe with the mask on. But the earth was breathing. And so I kind of felt, okay. We did, at some level, bring this upon ourselves. And of course, I feel bad for the people who were getting sick. This is not to undermine them, but I am giving you more like a view from the other realm, a view from the death realm, looking at it from, from from above, from the different perspective, from the spiritual realm. Mother nature was thankful for that reprieve. It was also an opportunity for us to go in a different direction.

Alison : Yes.

Jean : Mhm.

Anita: And whether we are doing that or not remains to be seen. It’s a little bit iffy, but it was a tremendous opportunity. Um it was like a reset button. But yeah, but we haven’t necessarily been using that opportunity for the benefit and the well-being of humankind. But yeah, so so that’s kind of how I saw it that yeah, the Mother Nature was crying for that.

Alison : Yes. That’s beautiful.

Jean : Yeah, yeah.

Alison : Now the question, can you give us a small glimpse of any impressions of of a place that you had transcended to?

Anita: So what I believe is that when we lose our bodies, when we lose our physical bodies, um, our spirit, our essence is limitless. So it’s not a physical place that we go to, but we can literally be everywhere or anywhere at once. And that means even anywhere in time. We move forward in time and back in time and of course, out even into other planets. And it is so vast. And I think when we cross over in the immediate time that we cross over, we’re still unfamiliar. So we kind of stay close to what we’re familiar with and our loved ones. And this is what happened to me. My deceased loved ones came, became visible to me to help comfort me. But it felt as though that when we lose our bodies, we can even be right here and not be seen by the people here. So it’s not a physical place, but it’s like we enter another dimension where we could literally be anywhere at any time.

Alison : Mhm. I love that. Yeah.

Jean : So I don’t know if you know, but my husband passed away back in November and I, I always just say to myself I go, are you okay? And and I love you and um.

Anita: Yes.

Jean : You know, so I’m yeah, I’m….I feel him a lot.

Anita: Yes.

Jean : You know. And, um…

Anita: He’s here now.

Jean : I feel like he is.  You know, he always makes me cry, you know?

Anita: Yeah. so your husband is not suffering now at all. And first of all, my heart really goes out to you. I’m so sorry that he’s not physically here, but he, if you know, if you could hear him, he would want you to know that he is fine, that he is okay, he’s happy where he is and that he’s still with you. He wants you to know that. That he is still with you and still helping you on the other from the other side. And when we lose people, um, they are absolutely fine. But it’s of course painful for the ones who are here. And he… If you could communicate with him, he would want you to know, and and here’s the frustrating thing, when people cross over is that they’re actually trying to communicate with you. They’re trying to figure out a way to get their messages to you in a way that you would understand, and it’s not easy. So look out for signs.

Anita: Because he wants you to be happy. He doesn’t… He, um, of course you need to take all the time that you need to grieve, but just whatever you need. Like, don’t judge yourself if you grieve, but also don’t judge yourself if you find joy again, don’t feel guilty. He would want you to know that if you find joy, if you find joy with people, don’t feel guilty that you’re enjoying yourself and he’s not here. And if you find relationship again, don’t feel guilty about that either. It would make him really happy if you were happy again.

Jean : Thank you. Anita. Okay, so um, I really appreciate you saying that. And I’m sure because a lot of people did cross over.

Anita: Yes, a lot, many people.

Jean : So, um, I know I’m not alone in that, and that’s so helpful.

Anita: Yes. Especially during the last year…Yes a lot. Yes I agree.

Jean :  A lot of people.

Anita: Yes I know, and, um. Yeah. I’m so I’m so sorry to hear that.

Jean : Thank you. Anita..  it’s it’s so surreal to see you in like in my…. Now I know how people used to feel when if they saw my husband…. Like, let’s say Alex went to CVS and I wouldn’t think anything big of it because he’s just Alex, my husband. But people would go, “oh”, and I so feel that with you because I’m so listened to your books on CD and, um, thousands, like many YouTubes, your Facebook page and, um, so, so you have this great new book out, uh, “Sensitive Is The New Strong.” And I love that title.

Anita: Thank you.

Alison : Yeah. The book is so interesting. Uh, first of all, the story with your mother and the cookies, is just amazing to me because it is showing.. i’m just going to briefly-

Alison : May I summarize it?

Anita: Yes. Of course.

Alison : Uh, she was bullied as a child. This is for the reader. She was bullied as a child and um, uh, she tells her mom that they wanted these brightly colored cookies that you had at school, and she tells her mother, and, you know, I think your initial reaction must have been that your mother’s going to be like, go tell the principal, you know? But instead her mother packs her more cookies to give them. And, um, I can’t even believe you found the strength to walk up to them. First of all, I was like, go, Anita! And then, um and then you give them the cookies like I know you would like… I know you like these, so we pack some extras for you. And I thought that idea of facing, uh, fear or confrontation with love and giving and compassion was  beautiful, simple story about that. Have you been able to carry that through? Have you seen other instances of that in your life? Because right now we’re living at such a time.

Anita: We are living in such an interesting time. And I was just speaking to my assistant about it earlier. And here’s where I use that and I remind myself of this because my, my mom taught me this as a child. And and so now, even till today in social media, whenever somebody posts a really mean comment and, you know, social media is a minefield, it’s an absolute minefield. My response.. So in the in the moment when I read their comment, of course, being an empath, being a sensitive person, it I kind of cringe. It just really hurts because there will be mean comments and sometimes people are just downright- they can be really mean. Um, and so I tend to respond with a loving response. And so I wait until I’ve absorbed it, and then I tell myself, okay, that person’s hurting. They’re coming from a place of lack, and they’re coming from a place of lack of love. And so I do exactly that. Back to the the cookie thing, so I will, I have done this so many times where I actually go in there and I actually say something like, thank you so much for your comment. Um, and actually, that’s not the reason behind what I, you know, I give them a little explanation and I say, anyway, um, I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. And so I send you love and sending you love and big hugs. And so I tend to do that. And then I let it go. And what’s been interesting is that there have been a lot of people who then respond and say, wow, I didn’t expect a response from you and I really thought you were la la la. But I realized that no, you actually are a real person and you’re a nice person. I’m sorry for my comment. So I have had people that actually respond back and have said that.

Alison : I love that. That’s such a great tact to take, you know, instead of doing this– having an open hand and an open heart.

Jean : And meeting the fear with love.

Anita: I’ve seen people who go back in and comment defensively or attacking back, and it just escalates the whole thing. And for me, I have to admit, it comes from a place of being very non-confrontational. I get very uncomfortable with confrontation. So and my mom sensed that when I was a child with these bullies. And so that’s when I learned she sensed that I didn’t like confrontation, and she actually showed me. She said, give them like, yeah, show them love and diffuse it.

Alison : This Book is so wonderful for these times I think.

Jean : And why do you think the empath is having a rise right now?

Anita: I think because it’s very much needed in the world today. It’s sorely lacking. Um, so with empaths, what makes them a little bit different, if you will, if you are an empath or just someone who’s highly sensitive… What this means is that you feel things very deeply. You feel it. And so your feelings, your emotions, your feelings are very strong and they’re very what I call very loud for you. So, um, and we and we don’t take that into account. We believe we are five sensory beings where we believe that our input comes in from, you know, from our sight, from hearing, from taste, from touch, from smell. But actually, for someone who’s sensitive, a huge part of their input just comes from feeling. It comes just from we feel the energies around us. We feel the pain of the world. We feel the pain of other people, we feel it. And sometimes that’s even louder than what we can hear with our ears or see with our eyes. That’s even that feeling is even louder. But we never take that into consideration. Not in medicine, not in schools, not in anything. Um, and so for an empath, living in this current times, what’s happening is, for example, on the news all the time, you’ve got that loud music and you’ve got that, uh, breaking news, like every little thing, every day, all day long is breaking news. Breaking news for someone who’s sensitive, they’re going to be anxious all day long. So I tell people, if you’re sensitive… Turn off the news. You know, and there was a time when you could find out what was happening locally without getting anxious. Not anymore. You turn on the news and everything is breaking news. Um, you you feel a little bit of illness.

Anita: You go to a doctor or something, and very often there’s a lot of anxiety around it. What drugs are they going to give me? What tests are they going to take? Now, the thing is, what I want, I want people to know is that if you are sensitive, very often your sensitivity can affect you so that it even affects your physiology, your biology. So many of your symptoms are because of your sensitivity, but that’s not taken into consideration. So basically, empaths and sensitive people are what I call sixth sensory beings because you’ve got this added sense, which is so loud but not being considered. But you’re living in a world that’s created by five sensory people, for 5 sensory people. So that’s why six sensory people are empaths or sensitive people have been struggling. But I think that now it’s the time for them to speak out. And so I myself have been encouraging sensitive people to speak out, because sensitive people have been hiding, because the world is tough and because sensitive people hide and empaths hide. What we find is that the loudest voices among us, like the ones who take on leadership positions and so on, are not sensitive or empathic, and people are growing tired of that. And if you want to change the world, if sensitive people want to change the world, they have to stop hiding, they have to start stepping up and taking leadership positions and voicing that what their needs are, instead of allowing, instead of hiding in the shadow and then saying, oh, this world is so hard, this world is so hard, we need to actually step up. And so I think that’s why you’re hearing and seeing more sensitive people.

Alison : I felt like what you just said so hits home. Because I feel like when you read this book, we have been told that some of the things that you talk about are called codependency, or they have some term for it that then you feel like, oh, well, see, there’s something wrong with that.

Anita: Yes.

Alison : And I in the beginning of the book, I was like, I had that inclinatio, to be more from the external trained perspective. Until I really got into your rhythm and could feel myself letting go. And then I realized, oh, see, that’s the training that you were talking about early on.

Anita: Yes.

Anita: In fact, this is one of the problems is that we have been, um, taught, just like you say. It’s been labeled codependency. So one of the things that highly sensitive people, uh, do or feel is that highly sensitive people can feel the emotions of other people. We can feel if somebody is in pain, we can feel if someone is struggling or suffering. And sometimes and because we don’t understand that, we can feel it. We sometimes mistake it for our own. We think that it’s ours. We can’t separate other people’s feelings for our feelings. And so what happens is that we then have this innate, just a reflex action of wanting other people to feel good so that we can feel good ourselves. So people who are highly sensitive and who are highly empathic and empaths have this tendency to want to rescue people because they’re so empathic to what that person is feeling. They want to jump in and rescue them so that they themselves, the empath themselves, can feel good because they need that person to feel good for them to feel good. Now, when you understand that it’s because you’re picking up their energy, you can look at it differently. Because one of the things that I have a problem with is all the traits of an empath has been pathologized, right?

Alison : Yes.

Anita: As being something wrong with them.

Jean : Right.

Anita: But the empath has this ability to feel for other people, and so they are the ones who are the least likely to cause harm to anyone. And I say, and one of the things I say, is the reason and this is my interpretation, the reason we feel so much for everyone is, if you imagine that each of us have an aura, an energy field around us…. Now imagine that if an empath, if someone is an empath, it could mean that they actually have a larger energy field. And because they have a larger energy field, they feel the feelings of anybody who enters into their energy field and almost mistake it as their own energy. Whereas a non empath or non sensitive person has a much smaller energy field, so they’re less empathic, they don’t feel what other people are feeling. And so their focus is always on themselves, on making themselves feel good. And they often it doesn’t occur to them on how it makes other people feel, because they can’t feel what other people feel. They’re not doing it deliberately, but they can’t feel what other people feel. But an empath can feel what other people feel. So what if I, instead of pathologizing the empath.. What if we turned it around and said, maybe the empath is the human 2.0, right? Maybe the empath is the one with the super strength, but our mistake has been in making them feel like there’s something wrong with them, right? That’s why the world has gone so crazy.

Alison : Right? You just gave me chills.

Jean : Yeah.

Alison : That’s exactly. That’s such a great, great thing, Anita. Great way of looking at it.

Jean : And you expressed it so beautifully.

Alison : How do you, how do you get out of that pattern? Like how  can you help yourself or help someone that you might know is, you know, you might have you might intuit that they’re an empath. How can you help them be able to break that pattern? And also, is there room for boundaries?

Anita: Yes. So so first of all, um, you do need– when you realize you’re an empath at the initial stage, you do need boundaries. But what you will realize over time, as you strengthen in your knowledge of being an empath and as you strengthen in your knowledge that actually your energy field is bigger and you’re stronger and it’s your superpower. You will be able to actually get rid of those boundaries. You’ll feel the boundaries are restricting. So I always find that when, um, when people talk about boundaries, it’s because they’re in the early stages of being aware that they’re an empath, because once they learn that being an empath is a superpower, here’s what happens, um,… When you realize that, oh my gosh, this is a desired state to be, and you start to get more confident and you learn to love yourself and love the fact that you’re an empath, your strength, your energy field gets stronger and stronger. And instead of having boundaries to keep people out, what happens is as your energy field gets stronger, anybody that enters your energy field is uplifted by your very presence, so you actually can uplift people without even saying anything. Just your presence will uplift them, so you won’t need to keep people out. That’s what starts to happen.

Alison : I think that’s what happens with Jean. I’m just going to say it. I think people I’m just going to say it to everyone, anita– I think Jean, it brings tears to my eyes, i think Jean actually has that. I think she will, she meets people and you can feel the love and the uplift I so I can actually you….

Jean : and you too.

Alison : Can actually say that I’ve met somebody like that. So that’s very moving to me. Thank you.

Anita: I think both of you are like that. And yes, I can see in Jean and  i can see it in both of you. You’re both very uplifting because of the work you do. So yeah, it’s and it happens.. And and to your question that how do you help people eiyh that… So the gentlest way of helping people is by strengthening your energy and then bringing that presence to other people. That’s the gentlest way of doing it.

Jean : So how do you strengthen your energy?, Anita, because  you do a lot…

Alison : Yeah

Jean : You are a busy lady..Um, and….

Alison : You always look fresh and happy–.

Jean : And you’re down by the beach.  You know, I sort of know where you live…I live Studio City..

Anita: Oh, right. Not too far.

Jean : But, yeah. How do you strengthen?…

Anita: So it’s… There are so many things you can do. It’s important, first of all, to be aware that you are an empath and you have a tendency to absorb the energies around you. It’s really important to be aware of that. Um, and it’s important to be aware that as an empath, you have a tendency to give and give of yourself because you have a tendency to want to rescue people, but you also have trouble receiving. So it’s always awareness is the key. But the key is also to learn. What does it mean that I’m an empath? It also means and this is the hard part for empath. It’s simple, but it’s it also means realizing that not everybody thinks like you. For me, that was really hard because an empath wants to feel that everybody has good intentions. Everybody, um, you know, like, we just can’t believe it if somebody actually sets out to hurt someone else.

Alison : Right

Anita: Now Even though they may, it may be because of a wound from their own or trauma from their own history and their own childhood. Um, nobody is born setting out to hurt people, but stuff happens to them. But it’s not your job to try and fix everyone and fix everyone’s wounds. But you need to be aware that there are people who are wounded out there who will harm other people and who don’t think like yo.. And so so when I’m when I say that again, it’s not to contradict what I said earlier about increasing your energy and uplifting people. But I’m saying until you’ve uplifted your energy, because when you have uplifted your energy literally, when you’ve uplifted your energy, you can walk into a prison and you can stand there and you can show love to people and have them shift. You really can. And that is the aim I want to attain for empaths in this world, to know and acknowledge and embrace that you can make huge changes, but first you have to take care of yourself. So this is the hard part for empaths again. So the first is to realize that other people aren’t always the same as you. And until you’ve healed your own or become aware of your own wounds and your own trauma as an empath and healed those. Don’t keep going out and helping people until you strengthen your own energy, because while you’re still working on yourself, and if you don’t have awareness that you have a tendency to rescue people, what will happen is that you’ll keep rescuing people and you will attract a lot of people who don’t think like you and who will hold on to you just because you’re there to constantly rescue them.

Anita: They won’t want to be rescued. They will want to keep you in that place of just constantly being there for them. And you will find yourself just getting drained all the time. So this is the hardest part, as I said, for an empath is to take care of themselves first and to be aware that not everybody thinks like me as an empath, I am here to be a gentle soul on this planet. I am here to bring light to people. But in order to bring light to people and help people and rescue people and to uplift people, I really need to do all those things for myself first. And the more I do for myself, the more I will help the planet. Empaths tend to believe that when we do it for ourselves, we’re being selfish. They have trouble doing it for themselves because if they see someone else suffering, they’re like, oh, I got to go help them. So even if we have very little to give, we’re like, let me go and help them. And then we become drained and depleted again. We never get to that point of actually having the energy to go out and help the world. This is what brings empaths down. So I’m always reminding empaths, no, you have to do this for yourself because your default is to help other people. That’s your default. That’s who you are. That’s not going to change. So you don’t have to think about it. You don’t have to work on being more helpful or being of service. That’s who you are. What you have to work on is taking care of yourself, loving yourself, filling up your own cup, doing things that energize you, doing things that make you happy.

Alison : Even if that means maybe pulling back from some people that do drain you.

Anita: Yes.

Alison :  am I hearing that correctly?

Anita: You are. And you don’t have to judge people that drain you. And this is the other thing.. Is we don’t have to we you know, and this is where empaths have trouble again is that, it’s like, oh my gosh, who am I to say that they’re draining me? They need me. We tend to do that. We say that, uh, you know, that that I don’t want to judge them and say they’re draining, but no, we don’t even have to judge them. It’s more like you can say I am drained and it can even be your own child that drains you. It can be an aging parent or a partner who’s sick. You need a break. It’s human. It’s human to become drained. Even two people who love each other can become drained by each other if they spend too much time together. So it’s about removing the judgment and and just being honest with yourself and saying, yeah, this drains me. I need to charge my batteries.

Alison : Yeah, well, we have kept you talking way too long, but I just want to say for our readers that if if nothing else, just pick this up and gently, gently start reading it. The chapter on the ego is an amazing take on ego. I thought that was so worthwhile because you know, you’re right, it’s another one of the things.. The way we’ve been taught.

Anita: Yes.

Alison : About what this ego is. And yeah, thank you so much for writing this. It’s just it’s it’s come at a perfect time. So thank you.

Anita: Oh, you’re so welcome. Of course I love sharing my message. And I just want yeah, I just want empaths and all to just to know that they’re so valued in this world.

Jean : To own their superpower.

Anita: Yes… own your superpower.

Jean : You’re Amazing.  You and your husband–.

Alison : Yes.

Jean : I know he’s your your rock..

Anita: Yes.

Jean : And we sent him love as well.

Alison : Yes. Okay.

Anita: Oh…Thank you, thank you. And he’s right there behind the scenes. He’s waving.

Alison : Hello.

Jean : Hello, husband.

Alison : Hello, husband. We love you too.

Anita: Oh, thank you both so much.

Jean : Well, there you have it.

Alison : Yes, I thought she was just listening to her actually does elevate me and make me feel better.

Jean : Yeah. And how great to understand that being a sensitive person is not a weakness, but an actual superpower.

Alison : Right. That’s like you, though, right? Don’t you think you’re very sensitive?

Jean : I am, um. And I think you are, too.

Alison : Yes, but you’re nicer. Um, what was I going to say to you? Oh, you know what?

Jean : I shaking my head no now.

Alison : I know, but they can’t see that. And I thought that it was very important that she was saying that, uh, don’t categorize. And did she say pathologize these these, um, feelings and emotions that we’ve come –that our society right now names things and you begin to think that maybe there’s something wrong.

Jean : Right. So I think the key is don’t label yourself as something’s wrong just because you’re sensitive and And and love yourself. Love yourself first. Build that that self-love so strong that you know, like you light another candle.

Jean : That your candle light can’t go out.

Alison : See? Look…. Look how great you are? All right, well, I thought, I thought it was great. We hope you enjoyed it?

Jean : Yeah.

Alison : She’s a special woman. We’re so lucky we get to talk to these special people.

Jean : So true, so blessed. All right, well, have a great day.

Alison : Yeah. Expand your feeling auras. Goodbye.